. >> to the contrary what you have from the republican mitt romney is belittlement of the debate. during his acceptance speech in tampa he tried to make fun of the president for even talking about it. so it basically has been off the table during this debate. >> rose: this is what you say. you quote david owen whose book was the conundrum. he states as long as the west places high values on economic growth a word you hear every day and consumer gratification with the rest of them right behind continue to burn the fossil fuels whose emissions tress pass the atmosphere, fluorescent lightbulbs, they're just not enough he says. >> it's a brilliant book but brilliant and pessimistic. his point is really even larger than what we're talking about. his point is that some of our most cherished values, the idea that the economy should always be growing, the idea that consumers wants and needs should always be served and that that is essential to the culture being healthy. his point is that actually until those attitudes change, we're not going to take serious steps. >> rose: it won't do any